“Be civil, no personal attacks, flaming, or insults. We may attack ideas (politely) but we do not attack the speaker of the idea. Be careful with your words, there is a point where being direct crosses a line into blunt,in-your-face hostility. Please, report bad posts instead of engaging in flame wars on the boards. Insulting another member or a moderator will not be tolerated anywhere on this website. This includes Direct Messages and Reputation Comments.
Hate speech, racism or bashing of ANY sort will NOT be tolerated. Rude posts will be removed and infractions issued. Do not quote or talk to trolls or your posts will also be deleted. Use the report feature instead.”
Additionally, City Data Forum has a very well written rule that defines what Personal Attacks are. It was written by current City Data Forum member, Katiana.
Here, Marka indicates that the Moderation team is not biased, and in fact protects City Data members from insults. A link and screenshot is provided.
Olecapt, you got a fair hearing. I read your post and I’m telling you publicly this time: calling other members “crazy” just because you disagree with them, is not acceptable here. If you prefer to believe it’s the moderator’s bias, so be it. In this case, we’re all biased in that we protect all our members from being insulted by others. I guess I can speak for the whole team here: we’re guilty as charged.
Please note that “insults” is a separate item in the Terms of Service, it is not the same thing as “flaming” or “personal attacks.”
KUChief25 frequently writes posts that are insulting and flaming, referring to CIty Data Forum members as “idiots”, “loons”, etc. Further documentation on Kuchief25′s ”flaming” and “insulting” is in our fileshare, provided below.
Despite the ToS and Marka’s (Senior Moderator) words, we have documented KUChief25 using personal attacks at an astonishing frequency as he debates City Data Forum Members.
We have reported 35 posts dating back to June 14, 2012. 20 were moderated, including these 4 by Politics Moderator Ibginnie within a 15 minute period.
The original quote, a link to the quote and the date and time the post was edited by Ibginnie is provided. You can verify the edit times by clicking on the embedded llinks. A screenshot of the edited post is also provided.
[quote=KUChief25;27574923]I don’t vote for these dinosaurs to sit there year after year. Do YOU?? Last I checked the liberals thought the tea party boys, you know the new guys in there who want spending reduced, are terrorists and idiots and whatever other name they can throw out. Yet you sit here and say I divide? Go play useful idiot like your leader treats you.[/quote]
[quote=KUChief25;27420119]Yes there are first graders massacred all over the country on a daily basis………….or so you would like us all to believe. Put a cork in it. The entire world had to pay a price for the Germans having their “freedom” taken away by your buddy Adolph. That doesn’t matter to useful idiots though.[/quote]
[quote=KUChief25;27394092]I told you to do that as you are clueless. As for china go look at all the knife and axe attacks that are KILLING children in china. They are regulating knife purchases now which is where you fools want to take us. You have no sense just read what drivel is fed to you then go spread your propoganda nonsense. If you care YOU go find the numbers. I’ve already looked into it. Census data, FBI data, all there for you to peruse along with all the cases of mass killing going back 100 years. They weren’t all done with your evil assault rifles like you claim but you don’t really care. They tell you we must ban them so we must is your battle cry. Useful idiots are loved by the politicians that’s for sure.[/quote]
We believed that to be consistent with City Data’s Terms of Service KUChief25 would be suspend for some period of time.
We actually have documented 10 thread locks, 4 edited posts and 6 threads locked after we reported KUChief25, not just the 4 posts reported above.
Despite so many moderated posts, KUChief25 has not even served 1 day of suspension.
[quote=Ibginnie;29426585]One of the things that many do not take into consideration is that infractions increase each time you get one. While you may think that another poster did not get an infraction they very well may have. If you have a rap sheet of 20 infractions and are on your 16th personal attack you will get another and your time from posting will be longer than your last infraction. That person you called an idiot may have never received an infraction. However, if that person called you pond sucking scum but never had an infraction before, they may receive a warning or an infraction where they still post…until next time they do it. Since you don’t know anyone’s’ infraction history but your own, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.[/quote]
How did Ibginnie manage to edit 4 personal attacks by KUChief25 within a 15 minute period and not infract KUChief25? We do not know.
Additionally, Marka, a CIty Data Senior Moderator, has provided guidance on how City Data infracts ToS violations.
[quote=Marka;1614452]We don’t ban anyone for what he has to say but rather how he’s saying it. Barring racism, spam and advertising, of course. It is entirely possible to express unpopular views, be passionate about them and still be civil.
Generally, we usually issue a warning for the first time offense, informing the member what he did wrong in our view and pointing them to the forum rules. If they commit the same offense for the second time, they get a 1 point infraction (which does nothing to limit their posting privileges). Next time it’s 2 points which places them on he restricted status. Again, if it is for the same offense. While restricted, you are able to browse through the forums but are not authorized to post anything. These typically last for 5 days. Up to this moment, a member is still able to communicate via DM. They may ask the moderator who issued the infraction for clarification or complain about it to a senior mod. After that, if you come back and repeat the same offense again, you will be banned…
Now, all of the above is not a strict procedure. Moderators are assigned to one or several forums each and they usually know the posters pretty well. It is up to their judgment whether or not any particular case should be treated less severely, perhaps the member in question was having a hard time, was provoked by someone else, had shown willigness to adhere to the rules and just snapped this one time again, etc. They can also ban a spammer or a returning troll immediately or skip the warning and issue 1-2 points for the first offense if it’s really serious. Normally, it takes time to get banned from here but those who insist, can get on the fast track.
Given all that we documented, City Data’s Terms of Service and the Moderators own words we have no idea how KUChief25 did not serve at least a suspension of some length.
City Data Member Forum JMQueen was given a 1 point infraction for “rectal” as part of “rectal data” and it wasn’t a personal attack, we have no idea how KUChief25 could spend over one year attacking City Data members as “idiots” and “loons.”
[quote=KUChief25;24593001]You are correct. The left looks at their base as useful idiots. They also think women are so stupid they can be duped by the nonsense war on women game they ginned up too. And as you say they are what the Dem’s think they are complete and useless idiots.[/quote]
Astonishingly KUChief25 seems to have just said all women are complete and useless idiots. Let’s see, that would be hateful, rude, trolling, certainly any woman would feel personally attacked. Perhaps even hate speech.
This comment is one of the worst posts I have read on City Data Forum to date. Despite referring to women in such a way, Kuchief25′s post has not been moderated in the slightest to date.
We fully realize that there are at least 2 ways to interpret this statement.
1. That he has called all women “complete and useless idiots.”
2. Or that he has called the entire Democratic base, which includes women “complete and useless idiots”.
Given City Data’s Terms of Service, which includes the statement that they are a strictly moderated website (which prohibits “personal attacks, flaming or insults” we don’t think either interpretation is appropriate for the City Data forum.
Yet it remains unmoderated despite our reporting the post on 6 different occasions.
We suppose it is not surprising that the ToS is not enforced as written as Marka (Senior Moderator) has blatantly contradicted the ToS with the following post.
[quote=Marka;15099516]This is not high school, we really are not interested in “who started it.”
The point is, DMs are more or less private correspondence. Contrary to the forums, we don’t moderate them, except for spam. If you want to trade insults with someone there, it’s none of our business. But we will intervene if someone attacks you for no reason.
I really can’t put it simpler than that.[/quote]
If the Terms of Service can be blatantly contradicted by the Senior Moderators, how can it be enforced in a fair and equitable manner? And how can members feel that they have a firm understanding of what the Terms of Service are?
“The Terms of Service: Insulting another member or a moderator will not be tolerated anywhere on this website. This includes Direct Messages and Reputation Comments.”
[quoteEveryone can say that a moderator is biased but since you can't prove it here with links and posts, I suggest we just keep the complaints private. Yac and I try to read every DM and either reply or put you in contact with the mod.[/quote]
We believe that Silence is Complicity. And that is why we exist.
We will continue to report on The Worst Posters on City Data.
We call on the Administrator to rewrite the ToS to match their moderation philosophy, or retrain the Senior Moderation staff, and Politics & Other Controversies Moderators, ibginnie, CaseyB & gallowsCalibrator.
This thread link is provided for addtional reference. City Data members have been complaining about “unequal application of the policies for over 2.5 years. It’s not a surprise they are unequal when the Moderators will openly contradict their own ToS and words in posts.
And as Marka has asked that personal attacks and racism be reported, we will continue to do so. We just hope that the Moderation Staff at City Data Forum actually begins to moderate the posts we report. So far their record is atrocious.
- Friends of the Tos News Division ~ Racism on City Data Forums (andykaufmanskavalkadekrew.wordpress.com)
- City Data’s Terms of Service. (andykaufmanskavalkadekrew.wordpress.com)